| s-1
| You know, I remember, m – back in the psychedelic days, there was this poster of the scientist. |
| s-2
| I've always been on a, kind of a crusade, for scientific uh, responsibility. |
| s-3
| Right? |
| s-4
| And scientists are, are taking such control over the world these days, uh with their n-, you know, not the scientists, but what they've invented. |
| s-5
| And the way it's marketed, and the way we're d- — we develop needs for it. |
| s-6
| And I remember this pf- cartoon I saw w-, of, of, it was called The Scientist. |
| s-7
| And it had this, this wonderful stone statue, about twenty stories tall, of a naked man, and a naked woman, intertwined with each other, hugging each other, full frontal, and their arms wrapped around each other, and then they s- — they – they looked like they were so intertwined, and they spiraled down and, and they're a s- — they're a statue. |
| s-8
| Right. |
| s-9
| Hm. |
| s-10
| Made out of stone. |
| s-11
| And they're and the whole base of the statue is crumbling. |
| s-12
| Right? |
| s-13
| And it's just like rubble, f- like from, just below the knees, down, was just kind of rubble. |
| s-14
| But the rest of it was all real clear, a few ottle- — some of it was chipped off, you know, it was old but, and d- — and down at the bottom, of this, this rubble, was this little man who was a scientist. |
| s-15
| And he had this big magnifying glass. |
| s-16
| And he was looking at the rubble. |
| s-17
| Looking with his head down. |
| s-18
| Hm. |
| s-19
| Not looking up at the statue, and seeing the love, and the the – the – symbol there, but looking down at the crumbs, you know. |
| s-20
| Hm. |
| s-21
| At the rubble at the bottom. |
| s-22
| With his magnifying glass. |
| s-23
| And, and, to me that, that always symbolized, kind of rather clearly, the limitations of the scientific method. |
| s-24
| Well. |
| s-25
| Whi- — if it doesn't take into account the to- — the the the whole human experience, and, including, the unbelievable parts of it. |
| s-26
| The parts that are just legend. |
| s-27
| And myth. |
| s-28
| And, and uh, alluded to. |
| s-29
| You mean the theories. |
| s-30
| And, and the psychedelic experiences, and the subjective. |
| s-31
| Oh, on that side. |
| s-32
| You know, and insanity, and, what, I mean. |
| s-33
| Well. |
| s-34
| You know they — they've got to take ac- into account, uh, the East, with all its, with all its fantastic discoveries. |
| s-35
| But, you can't — but you can't look at the stars with a microscope. |
| s-36
| And science is a microscope. |
| s-37
| Each p- scientist has their, their field of um, expertise, and if they're gonna go, if they're gonna stretch out far enough into the — the unknown where they can find something new, they have to do it in a straight line. |
| s-38
| They can't do it in all directions at once. |
| s-39
| That's true. |
| s-40
| Because then you run into things that we already know. |
| s-41
| So the problem is communication between s- — |
| s-42
| But they're doing it, they're doing it with mathematics. |
| s-43
| Right? |
| s-44
| I mean. |
| s-45
| Well. |
| s-46
| N- no. |
| s-47
| But the comm-, problem is, communication between the branches of science. |
| s-48
| Mhm. |
| s-49
| I think. |
| s-50
| That's true. |
| s-51
| Cause, who's gonna be able to hold, all that knowledge, and make the connections? |
| s-52
| Well, the philosophers, and the spiritual leaders, and, I mean, cause, f- the stuff can be understand, understood. |
| s-53
| The goals. |
| s-54
| Those people can tell you. |
| s-55
| Or the, or the cutting — cutting edge, can be understand — understood intellectually. |
| s-56
| But those people can't tell you the details. |
| s-57
| They know the whole structure, but see. |
| s-58
| Well the — |
| s-59
| It's like both sides. |
| s-60
| You have to have somebody looking at the details. |
| s-61
| Ya got to have a leader. |
| s-62
| And somebody looking at the — |
| s-63
| And you got to have, a bunch of workers. |
| s-64
| You know? |
| s-65
| Yeah. |
| s-66
| And you gotta have somebody. |
| s-67
| Right. |
| s-68
| Who d- isn't necessarily inclined to deal with the details that much, who's guiding, those who are willing to sit there. |
| s-69
| I guess that's the problem. |
| s-70
| And make all the — |
| s-71
| We don't have a guider. |
| s-72
| Yeah. |
| s-73
| There's no l-, there's no lead, or there's no focus. |
| s-74
| Yeah. |
| s-75
| That's right. |
| s-76
| And — and uh, you know, I think, I think that, one of the reasons that there's been no focus is because, oh, everybody accepted the scientific method as the best tool that we have, and was kinda letting the scientific method be the — be the leader. |
| s-77
| Mhm. |
| s-78
| The — the – w- you know, just continue inventorying and — |
| s-79
| Well those people who are doing research. |
| s-80
| Continue inventorying, cataloging, experimenting. |
| s-81
| You know, documenting, uh, uh, whatever. |
| s-82
| And, instead of, instead of uh, uh coming at it from another direction. |
| s-83
| Trying to find, trying to find, uh, trying to find ways to, to, like with with Einstein for example, you know, uh, it seemed to me, he was trying to f- — t- he was exper- experimenting with, with new ways of doing things, you know. |
| s-84
| Well thinking about things. |
| s-85
| Oh — uh and thinking about things, and he was trying to — he w- — I think he was ultimately trying to, trying to discover the speed of his own thought. |
| s-86
| Hm. |
| s-87
| You know, I mean, he was like, really off into wonderful abstract notions, that were all based in a peaceful world. |
| s-88
| You know? |
| s-89
| That couldn't exist unless he was secure that we had a peaceful world or that that peace was part of it. |
| s-90
| Of what he was about. |
| s-91
| And, so much of today's technology is soulless and has nothing to do with peace. |
| s-92
| It has to do with, just generally, chewing up, you know, consumerism basically and —. |
| s-93
| Mhm. |
| s-94
| Chewing up — ch- n- — j- – chewing up new w- — uh, chewing up the human experience, and turning it into, some kind of consumer need. |